Okay, so my bitch was talking last night about how since Hogan showed up, all kinds of talent haven't been on TV since. I wanted to start a thread and discuss who's got fucked so far over the whole deal. Add names if I forgot any.

Daivari (Quit right before the change but the writing was on the wall)

World Elite (When's the last time they appeared as a unit on TV?)

Bobby Lashley (Okay, so getting fired was a work, but his future is done. Hogan doesn't like the fact that in his MMA/TNA mixed endeavors don't have TNA as #1) -> UPDATE: (From Dixie Carter's gleeful excitement to having him with them and the possibility of a legitimate MMA champion working for her organization to Hogan upset about him not "putting TNA first", it was less than 3 months for Lashley to go from near the top to be run out of town.)

Scott Steiner (I can not BELIEVE that he got fired. I can only imagine it was a contract dispute as he was working good angles until his last appearance, has history with Hogan and Bischoff, and was affiliating himself with Hogan during the wait to his appearance.) UPDATE: Apparently Flair had a problem working at a company that employed the man that talked so much shit about him. Too bad. Steiner is the shit!

Homicide (Hasn't been on TV in more than a month, has expressed outrage on his twitter about the politicking going on) UPDATE: Wow, finally got some TV time, during a stupid worked shoot that Hernandez was hurt they showed him concerned and sad even though they feuded and dissolved their tag team on negative terms. Right.

Mick Foley (His segments with Bischoff on-screen are going well because they're shoots. I can't imagine he'll resign his contract and may be gone even sooner.) UPDATE -> (Looking like Foley will still be used for the time being, has secured a spot on TV and PPV since the takeover) UPDATE 2 -> Wow. So I have to say that I never thought even three months ago that Foley would be gone. They even seemed to have been building him up on TV as someone who was gonna be on the same page and serve as a TNA ambassador. It turns out that wasn't the case - I guess there's only room for one General Manager type figure and it's Bischoff. I love how Hogan and Bischoff seemingly share the office that Mick used for more than a year while he was feuding with Jeff Jarrett. A career vs. career match not promoted and given away free instead of PPV? Wack.

Jeremy Borash (Take the greatest young behind the scenes talent off TV? Uhhhhhh yeah. Awesome. Doubt he'll ever operate in his former capacity again)

Jay Lethal (Hasn't been on TV since the new shit. Hogan keeps saying he wants Savage to come in and manage him, but that shit's not happening) UPDATE -> (Nasty Boys go on the record to bury Lethal, saying he's a disgrace, and asking Hogan how long until he's released)

Consequences Creed (Its strange, I read an interview with him a few weeks ago where he was talking about how grateful he is to be experiencing the success that he was at the time but he knew it wouldn't last forever. He wasn't being used AS much leading up to the regime change, but now he's a ghost. UPDATE: Had an awesome style, young as fuck, has all kinds of potential. Wasn't seen on TV since Hogan and Bischoff came through and took off. Too bad, the X-Division is pretty much absolutely dead. They fucking BETTER not fucking fire Jay Lethal anytime soon. Fucking hell man. He wrestled Suicide in an indy show just the other day. I feel bad for dude.

Daniels (Coming back he had very little momentum, but he's had what, 5 minutes of TV time and a fucking job to Val Venis since then? WOW.)

Raven/Stevie Richards/Daffney (From a budding stable to unseen, this trio has been subject to being nearly eliminated from the product)

Awesome Kong (ALMOST lost her job over that bullshit, but they've apparently patched shit up. Okay. I mean, I hate women's wrestling, but she's the only credible bitch in the company.) -> UPDATE: (Kong still has issues with her pay and no-shows UK tour, suspended immediately and she could care less.) -> UPDATE2: After a lawsuit filed against Bubba the Love Sponge and what Hogan described as "One of the most brutal backstage attacks [he's] ever seen in all his years in the business" from Kong killing Bubba, shit breaks down to the point of no repair and she is let go. Which brings me to..

Bubba The Love Sponge (How much of a total fuckup do you have to be to get let go from a company that your fucking best friend is running? Yeah, THAT much of a fuckup. What a fuckin loser.) UPDATE: Not gone and joined the Wolfpac. Time will tell...

Sean Morley (So they bring him in, put him over in EVERY match he's involved in including PPV, use him on TV and a national audience for probably the last highlight of his entire fucking career, and they start goin live but you want to commit yourself 100% to the indys and overseas? What the fuck is wrong with you!)

Roxxi (In and out of the company for the second time in less than a year. They really fucked with this bitch, at one point she even submitted to getting her head shaved in front of a live audience in a humiliating fashion while the entire crowd chants 'FIRE RUSSO'. Fire her weeks later. Bring her back. Take her off TV. Fire her weeks later. Yet CM Punk does this to put a bitch over on WWE and she is on TV every week, sometime on THREE shows a week. Wow. Roxxi may not have been pullin weight but they never gave her a chance and fucked her up. Sucks)

Traci Brooks (This bitch does full nudity to try to get her company some attention strictly for her love of the organization and ends up getting fired. Her shoot sucked, she looked nasty, and all the days shes on TV fine as fuckkkkkkk and they make her look like an old burnt out broad. Take her off TV. Bring her back to be in MEM. MEM angle ends abruptly 3 weeks later. Take her back off TV. Put her back on TV as a job girl. Take her off TV. Don't use her. Don't use her husband. Fire her. Real nice way to treat a bitch who was there from DAY 1. Creative didn't have anything for her? Creative fucked up.)

The Nasty Boys - Did anybody think they'd last? I sure as fuck didn't, but being Hogan's boys and all, I thought they'd be around at least a year. These guys just can't go anymore. They're old, crippled, busted, and like Bubba Ray Dudley said, "Where have you been for the last 10 years?" Spike is apparently looking at the 15 minute quarter hour breakdowns and Nasty Boys had horrible horrible numbers. Not a loss, but the nostalgia was cool for one match, I think they served their purpose.

Christopher Daniels - After he returned to Ring of Honor last night and cut a promo about being held back for seven years, it was speculated that Christopher Daniels had been released from TNA. The Wrestling Observer now confirms that Daniels was released earlier this week. Ring of Honor contacted Daniels immediately and signed him for some dates. Wow.

EDIT: Oh rad, I have a typo in the title of the post. That's a first.
EDIT2: I will continue to keep this list updated as time goes on seeing as nowhere else on the internet is keeping tabs on the talent exodus. If enough people are shoved out of the organization I'll start another section of this thread that lists all the talent they brought in to replace these workers.
EDIT3: March brings another round of cuts. Impact prepares to go live heads up against Raw. More cuts.
EDIT4: WRESTLEMANIA has come and passed, more cuts have happened as iMPACT ratings continue to suffer.

I don't know if it fits, but has Nigel done -anything- other than job to Elijah Burke since Hogan came in? He debuts into an angle with your top guy, and now.....

We should also keep a list of who has benefited/gotten pushed/gotten work

Quote:We should also keep a list of who has benefited/gotten pushed/gotten work

That type of a list though is all subjective. Because Nigel is losing, I wouldn't say he's not getting used properly. He's being used which really in turn means they're pushing him somehow. Otherwise, he'd be in the back warming the bench. Just because the short term he loses a handful doesn't mean the long term isn't going to be propelled higher.

He beat Venis the other week, and apparently Hogan/Eric both gushed over him hardcore on BTLS last week saying he had a great look & was "almost there"

(02-06-2010 10:05 AM)Pete Goddamn Wrote:  I don't know if it fits, but has Nigel done -anything- other than job to Elijah Burke since Hogan came in? He debuts into an angle with your top guy, and now.....

He won at the PPV

He also won a slot in the top 8 tournament at the next PPV via another win.

See, I legit didn't know.... I just asked. And I used him as an example because TNA tends to.... you know, use someone in the main event for their first two months, then they are "stuck" working Rhyno and other assorted horrible midcarders

Ok so its 4:30 in the morning and I'm wide fucking awake and have had a lot of wrestling related thoughts on my mind today, so if anyone cares, I'm gonna start spouting some bullshit that I've been thinking lately. If not, fuck you.

I'm watching TNA now for the first time for the WCW-esque train-wreck aspect of the show. The state of affairs in the company has never been as manic as it is now, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if fucking Dixie Carter won the belt.

Not to say that it automatically makes it a trash product. If anyone's reading this thread, I'll answer a question that's been proposed to me in several different iterations during the several years I've posted here. My answer and reason is dynamic just like TNA as a company is. I've always stuck up for TNA for being exactly what it is: Not WCW, not competition to WWE, nor ROH, its just TNA. These misguided old wrestlers, wannabe wrestlers, and stuntmen who all get paid out of some magic money that grows in bamboo shoots. Oh, and they have a TV show. And PPVs!

I never would have been into the promotion if it wasn't for hacked satellite systems. Since it was free, I used to watch the weekly PPVs from the day it launched and could never believe what I was seeing. The same holds true to this day.

I personally could give a fuck less if TNA is ever profitable or ever publicly traded or ever goes dollar-to-dollar with WWE. Its like when people say shit like "Oh HOW CAN YOU SAY (INSERT NAME HERE) SUCKS, THEY SOLD 10 MILLION RECORDS!" I don't give a fuck, I'm not seeing a cent of that money, neither is the person who's stunned that I don't respect an act due to the size of their bank account.

Fucking marks.

Anyways, maybe this should be an entirely separate thread, but Russo has a new book out, I'm interested to see what he says about TNA. Apparently he documents the Hogan incident in WCW in graphic detail. This whole Hogan/Bischoff/Dixie/Russo affair won't last. My moneys on Russo being around after the storm cloud clears, if the company is even still alive afterwards.

But then as I mindlessly fast-forward through SIX HOURS of WWE TV per week, 9 HOURS IF ITS A PPV WEEK, and have less than 15 minutes of total entertainment to watch, something is really fucked up.. its been SAME OLD SHIT for almost a decade now. And I could give a fuck less about the product's legacy, or the legacy of the people who are there now. Fast-forwarding through WWE TV every week is like rummaging through mountains of elephant shit looking for pennies. So unlike the rest of these queers, I'm doing something about it. I won't spend a single cent on any WWE product, I won't attend their live events, and I won't talk about their bullshit in public. If I could contribute to the efforts of a mass-boycott I would. But nobody will. Everybody is a complacent sheep of a mark just like the citizens of the country in which the company is publicly traded.

So to address Pete personally and to end this post, yes, anybody in TNA at any time could be a jobber or a main eventer. I personally find that to be part of its appeal. Everybody gets a chance, if they suck, they don't get more chances. If they're over, they get more chances. I hate the manufactured force-fed McMahon bullshit. TNA has never had it.. is it starting now? Maybe. Heel AJ is a joke.

I like the booking of having Burke job to a debuting OJ (granted, he did get "hurt" in said match), just to defeat your World's Champion 2 shows later. Not to mention having 3 broads in the ring who are... Much taller than your World's Champion.

ha...yeah. and all three broads are HORRENDOUS 'wrestlers' even according to the boss dudes on BTLS 'State of TNA Address'

No, no. I'm talking about the 3 that were with Styles and Flair. Might as well have put Nash in a dress during that promo.

But you gotta give it up to the mannerisms between Bischoff and Flair in the same room again on TV for the first time in more than 10 years... fuck Christian, that type of shit is instant classic.

I agree that's it's cool that anyone is "given the chance" off the bat for TNA... I was just saying that it seems less of that and more of "strike while the iron is hot" by pushing the guy off his big debut, milking it for two PPVs, then relegating him to Spin Cycle with JB.

I agree with Pete. Yes, TNA has some lasting main eventers like Kurt Angle, Jeff Jarrett and one could argue Samoa Joe, but most of the time they'll bring someone in, shoot them to the moon and then shuffle them in with the rest of the deck. Look at Christian, Ron Killings, Matt Morgan, and I'm sure soon Mr. Ken Anderson. Both WWE and TNA are old man's clubs right now and that's the problem. What made WCW special was new blood like Eric Bischoff and the willingness to take risks, what killed it was the old blood like Hogan and Nash got tired of taking risks and wanted to secure their spot. Well, the top guys in TNA and WWE don't seem to be risk takers anymore and I'm afraid we'll be subjected to the same old shitty programming on both ends with sparks of new blood, like the Straightedge Society, that will soon be flushed out.

Bump for relevance. Two months into the Hogan/Bischoff era, how does everyone think shit is progressing?

(03-07-2010 04:12 AM)Thugsta Wrote:  Bump for relevance. Two months into the Hogan/Bischoff era, how does everyone think shit is progressing?

I think it is only going to get worse,I have been dissapointed ever sice Hogan and Eric came in and they are still doing terrible. They are going to drive TNA into the ground and addressing the going live thing,it is going to be a disaster. I hope they get there shit together and start making some changes if not then WWE will not only own the rights to WCW and ECW,but they will also own TNA's if they don't change.

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I really want TNA to succeed. Competition is good But in my opinion since the Hogan/Bischoff era began for every step forward TNA takes, they take 2 Steps backwards ...

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Maybe from the creative side, but ratings don't lie. They've been the highest in TNA history for several weeks straight.

(03-08-2010 02:28 AM)Thugsta Wrote:  Maybe from the creative side, but ratings don't lie. They've been the highest in TNA history for several weeks straight.

This is true ...

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Except the past few weeks the ratings have dropped.

Quote:-- This week’s edition of TNA iMPACT drew a horrible 1.14 cable rating, with 1.5 million viewers. The first hour averaged a 1.3 rating, then the rating collapsed heading in to the second hour and diminished from that point on. The show closed with a 0.9 rating for their big angle with Hogan and Flair. Heading in to their historic move to Monday Night’s, you never want to see your rating/viewership drop in the ladder part of your show. (Source: F4WOnline.com)

This is also true LOL

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Daaaaaaaaaaaamn, that's low.

But consider this, today, its considered horrible for them to have ratings that low, two months ago, that was considered an every day average TNA rating.

Nobody said it was horrible for them to have ratings that low .. we just hope they go back up

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F4WOnline.com said its horrible. WRESTLING FANBOYS. Biased reporting. No credibility. Fuck those queers, they'll get no respect from me, EVER.

I hate biasd people especially those biaed assholes from espn

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Updated for latest.

At least the Nasty Boys are done ....

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Yeah, they sucked, but at least they were a real tag team. And now that Hernandez is out on injury, worked or not, the fucking champions are not actively competing or defending the titles.

What the fuck.

The tag division in TNA is starting to get pretty weak ala WWE. They need to fix that shit.

I am really disappointed in the decision to release Creed, I liked him and he was young talent.

Definitely. There are open spots for him but I guess they just want to squash out the image of TNA being all small X-Division guys.

(03-30-2010 02:57 AM)Thugsta Wrote:  Yeah, they sucked, but at least they were a real tag team. And now that Hernandez is out on injury, worked or not, the fucking champions are not actively competing or defending the titles.

Wait? You mean to tell me that TNA has champions besides AJ Styles? I was pretty sure he was the only title holder in the company. Next you'll tell me that WWE still has the US Title hanging around, hah!

(03-30-2010 01:52 PM)Boomaga Wrote:  

(03-30-2010 02:57 AM)Thugsta Wrote:  Yeah, they sucked, but at least they were a real tag team. And now that Hernandez is out on injury, worked or not, the fucking champions are not actively competing or defending the titles.

Wait? You mean to tell me that TNA has champions besides AJ Styles? I was pretty sure he was the only title holder in the company. Next you'll tell me that WWE still has the US Title hanging around, hah!

OR More importantly an Intercontinental title ...

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So since Thugsta is a whiny bitch and had my other thread locked, I am going to stick this in here. I believe this is a roster cut that TNA NEEDS.

Brian Kendrick
Brutus Magnus
Doug Williams
Dr Stevie
Hector
Jesse Neal
Kiyoshi
Orlando Jordan
Raven
Rhino
Rob Terry
Sean Waltman
Shannon Moore
Tomko
Willie Urbina
Earl Hebner

Also I don't believe Lacey Von Erich should be released, she is extremely hot, way hotter than anyone in the WWE and most in TNA. Just give her a non-wrestling role, where she doesn't have to talk as much. I say release the Spanish announcers, because I don't think they should play a factor into TNA at all. The only reason they do is all the border hoppers that are in this country right now. I also say release Earl Hebner because the refs of the past are not as prominent now and don't have importance like they use too. Everyone that made that list has no real talent and shouldn't be in TNA.

im rolling my eyes right now ....

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And? Why the fuck do I care?

cuz youre an annoying FUCK and need to get a life ....

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I agree with your list except the following:

Dr Stevie - Had some decent promos and was rad with Daffney and Raven going against Abyss
Hector - LOL can't believe he's still listed on the roster, when's the last time he was seen on TV?
Raven - Can't disagree more, Raven is the shit.
Sean Waltman - He's taking all the bumps for the Wolfpac, so no. He's gotta stay.
Earl Hebner - Aww come on, give the old man his last checks. He's old, he's gotta retire on his own will soon.

(03-31-2010 04:12 AM)Thugsta Wrote:  I agree with your list except the following:

Dr Stevie - Had some decent promos and was rad with Daffney and Raven going against Abyss
Hector - LOL can't believe he's still listed on the roster, when's the last time he was seen on TV?
Raven - Can't disagree more, Raven is the shit.
Sean Waltman - He's taking all the bumps for the Wolfpac, so no. He's gotta stay.
Earl Hebner - Aww come on, give the old man his last checks. He's old, he's gotta retire on his own will soon.

See Dr Stevie does me no justice, he might have been good for a few appearances but he does me no justice Mr. Richards is a jobber and always will be. Hector is on the spanish announce table end, him and that other mexican I posted. Get rid of both them faggots. Raven is the shit, but as far as TNA is concerned he ain't shit. 6 Pac might be the go to bump man, but you can only take it so far. Nash can still take bumps and should be. Nash has stated he is all about putting the younger guys over, so nows his chance he doesn't need to be a bitch about it. Also with Earl, he can get his 401k from selling unauthorized WWE merch, oh that is what got him fired anyways.

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(03-31-2010 03:24 AM)Mr_Reed82 Wrote:  cuz youre an annoying FUCK and need to get a life ....

Cry me a fucking river.

I like THE Brian Kendrick, if they gave him a chance to shine.

While I am sure he some good ring work, it is his attitude outside of the ring I do not like from what I was told. He would rather smoke pot and pay a fine, then clean up and lead a fulfilling life.