07-02-2009, 09:01 PM
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07-02-2009, 09:32 PM
So... Is this like a biography on Kevin Nash?
07-06-2009, 03:35 PM
I wanna watch that!
07-06-2009, 03:57 PM
am I the only one that thought WCW sucked ass?
07-06-2009, 04:27 PM
I was never into WCW besides flipping back and forth during Raw/Nitro in 96-99ish, but I mainly watched RAW until commercials. Looking back on it though WCW had some really good matches back in the day, but the real gimmicky and bad shit is UNFUCKINGBEARABLE...
07-06-2009, 05:55 PM
I loved nito
07-06-2009, 08:02 PM
(07-06-2009 04:27 PM)Dat Nigga Buc Wrote: [ -> ]I was never into WCW besides flipping back and forth during Raw/Nitro in 96-99ish, but I mainly watched RAW until commercials. Looking back on it though WCW had some really good matches back in the day, but the real gimmicky and bad shit is UNFUCKINGBEARABLE...
07-06-2009, 09:53 PM
(07-02-2009 09:32 PM)Nicky Syxx Wrote: [ -> ]So... Is this like a biography on Kevin Nash?
Kevin Nash barely caused a dent in the downfall of WCW.
07-07-2009, 09:41 AM
(07-06-2009 09:53 PM)Jeremywise1313 Wrote: [ -> ](07-02-2009 09:32 PM)Nicky Syxx Wrote: [ -> ]So... Is this like a biography on Kevin Nash?
Kevin Nash barely caused a dent in the downfall of WCW.
True, Nash was a tiny chink in their armor, but mismanagement from Turner Broadcasting is the main key why WCW died.
07-10-2009, 12:59 PM
I thought Bischoff left him in charge of it when he left, and Nash overplayed the nWo 2000 gimmick which eventually killed it.
07-10-2009, 09:32 PM
No, bischoff didnt leave anyone in charge, because he didnt leave, he was sent home. Bischoff started the decline with the nwo storyline and poor booking. Shit got stale, and when every week it was the nwo running wild on one of the top faces, people got really disgruntled.
07-11-2009, 01:34 PM
Forget the NWO and the main event.... the undercard from 97-99 was INSANELY good. If you go back and watch Nitros but skip the main just to watch Jericho, Eddy, Rey, Raven, Saturn, DDP, Benoit, Malenko, etc, you're in for a treat. It's the horribleness of the main event picture that really brings the product down
07-11-2009, 02:09 PM
DDP winning the title was always nice. I think he's underrated, and doesn't get the credit that he deserves.
07-11-2009, 07:37 PM
Its me its me its d d p. I'll agree to that as for some reason I liked him too.
07-12-2009, 02:08 AM
The guys working there knew it was going bad when catering got really lavish and Bischoff went nuts bringing in all the non wrestling talent. I want to read Bischoff's book and see this DVD and hear all the crazy shit that went on during the final days.
07-12-2009, 03:16 AM
WCW from 96 on was gold, fuck anything that disputes that. As Pete mentioned, the undercards alone were beautiful, can you think of a SINGLE Raw, Smackdown, ECW, or even Impact episode for that matter that would actually broadcast something like that?
07-12-2009, 03:32 AM
It was a joke at the time, but it wasn't/isn't overdone... every match on the undercard, no matter how good had the announcers talking about how the main event was the biggest match/rematch/tag match/cage match in history, and they'd just discuss main event angles over great matches.
07-12-2009, 11:14 AM
Thugsta and Pete are on point. It was clear where the talent was the moment you turned on the show. Hour 1 was beautiful, minus the segments and banter about "Oh my God, Mike, what is Scott Norton going to do, is he loyal to WCW, or is he another member of this dastardly nWo??!!""
07-18-2009, 06:12 PM
WCW was my shit back in the day and i still love popping out my old VHS Tapes from WCW every now and then
07-20-2009, 12:46 AM
It's now available for preorder on WWEShop: http://www.wweshop.com/Product_detail.as...d=35-00664
Having read Wrestlecrap's Rise and Fall of WCW book, I'm very interested to see what WWE's side or slant on the story is going to be.
Looking back at old Nitros on WWE on Demand, I do miss their style of show. Usually you would start off with advancing your main event angle, at some point during the show have segments for your mid-card angles and then have a terrible end of the show, but in the middle would be some matches with all levels of talent across the company and most of them were pretty good. I can't remember the last time I saw a match on Raw that was thrown together with two lesser known figures and actually turned out to be pretty decent.
Having read Wrestlecrap's Rise and Fall of WCW book, I'm very interested to see what WWE's side or slant on the story is going to be.
Looking back at old Nitros on WWE on Demand, I do miss their style of show. Usually you would start off with advancing your main event angle, at some point during the show have segments for your mid-card angles and then have a terrible end of the show, but in the middle would be some matches with all levels of talent across the company and most of them were pretty good. I can't remember the last time I saw a match on Raw that was thrown together with two lesser known figures and actually turned out to be pretty decent.
07-20-2009, 08:16 AM
I used to love to watch Nitro on WWE 24/7 when i had it
07-20-2009, 04:26 PM
WWF > WCW for life!!
07-24-2009, 07:50 PM
07-25-2009, 05:08 PM
08-24-2009, 01:44 AM
So I just watched the Documentary disc of The Rise and Fall of WCW - Totally awesome 1st hour about the actual rise of WCW. Then they go into 30 minutes of recycled MONDAY NIGHT WARS Eric Bischoff interview footage which is... disappointing to say the least. Then they have 10-15 minutes of Goldberg's opinions of the company, cut with various Flair footage talking about WCW shot during the last 3 years, and some Jericho comments that are generalizations of what all the wrestlers and smarks say about the promotion. Then they spend all of 10 minutes showing the FALL of WCW. This is what kills me about all these WWE Documentaries - They have footage for days, DVD space for a proper representation of what they're presenting, and INTENTIONALLY half ass the endings. The beginnings are always amazing, but I've never once NOT been let down by one of these, with the one exception being the RISE AND FALL OF ECW because of the length and all of the included profanity (Including Dudley fagbash promo!!)
Anyhow, the other DVDs are worthless to me because I watch original full broadcasts of Nitro and Thunder all the time. But after watching this documentary I really wanted to get back into the feel so I watched all of the end of 1999. Man, November 1999 leading up to Starcade and from there to the creation of NWO 2000 has some of the greatest broadcasts in wrestling history on both Nitro and Thunder.
In short, a typical WWE documentary. Good reference material, but only a small amount of material is covered.
Anyhow, the other DVDs are worthless to me because I watch original full broadcasts of Nitro and Thunder all the time. But after watching this documentary I really wanted to get back into the feel so I watched all of the end of 1999. Man, November 1999 leading up to Starcade and from there to the creation of NWO 2000 has some of the greatest broadcasts in wrestling history on both Nitro and Thunder.
In short, a typical WWE documentary. Good reference material, but only a small amount of material is covered.
08-24-2009, 01:46 AM
Every time I put on the Rise and Fall of ECW, I've forgotten how fucking FOREVER long it is. Oh well, it still rules every DVD I have, outside of Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior.
08-24-2009, 10:33 AM
(08-24-2009 01:44 AM)Thugsta Wrote: [ -> ]Man, November 1999 leading up to Starcade and from there to the creation of NWO 2000 has some of the greatest broadcasts in wrestling history on both Nitro and Thunder.
I completely agree, I remember at this time that WCW really might be able to pull it out and put up a good fight again. Too bad that all fell apart at Starrcade '99 with the botched Roddy Piper finale and Bret Hart's career-ending concussion, effectively killing off nWo 2000 and the best chances WCW had to rebound.
I do feel that this period in WCW history is often overlooked, as it was Russo's first shot with the company and I thought he did a pretty good job, only failing with his second shot with the whole "New Blood vs. Millionaires Club" angle. I mean, this period in WCW history has been overlooked by WWE, Monday Night Wars and Bret Hart's DVD and book and it's a shame.
I haven't seen the rise and fall of WCW yet, but I am interested even with this negative review, but WWE has been infamous for revising and cutting out parts of history ever since it won "The War" back in 2001.
Also, the Invasion sucked, no doubt.
08-24-2009, 10:41 AM
In my opinion, The Invasion was the single most disappointing angle in wrestling history.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't want to come off as a negative review, just a bit disappointing given the fact that the TITLE OF THE MOVIE led me to believe it would be as decked out as Rise/Fall of ECW.
What was SUPPOSED to happen for that Piper/Goldberg/Bret Hart finish?
Don't get me wrong, I didn't want to come off as a negative review, just a bit disappointing given the fact that the TITLE OF THE MOVIE led me to believe it would be as decked out as Rise/Fall of ECW.
What was SUPPOSED to happen for that Piper/Goldberg/Bret Hart finish?
08-24-2009, 11:46 AM
Looking at the match listing, disc 2 doesn't look all that bad. I'd pick it up simply for that & the documentary. not really too keen on how it looks to be a history of Hogan & Goldberg in WCW, which I wasn't (and still not) a fan of...seems like way more could have been given to the rise to balance it out, as Thugsta pointed out...80's NWA/WCW was fire
08-25-2009, 03:05 AM
Just downloaded this, (i believe its 5 disc's????)
The documentary is gold, as thugsta said, the end is a letdown. Some good interviews, at least in my (former wrestling mark) opinion.
The documentary is gold, as thugsta said, the end is a letdown. Some good interviews, at least in my (former wrestling mark) opinion.
08-25-2009, 03:15 AM
the best buy ad is very misleading...the set itself is 3 discs, but the ad lists a single disc version as being $17.99 and a double disc version being $22.99...needless to say I'm going to buy it there regardless, as most places have it listed for $30...but still, very confused as to the "extra" or "lesser" material
08-25-2009, 03:18 AM
I wonder how bad they bury Jarrett.
08-25-2009, 10:21 AM
I'm gonna guess they just don't mention Jarrett's existence, that's pretty much been WWE's standard operating procedure since he left them in '99.
08-25-2009, 10:42 AM
In the commercial they show him taking the dive to Hogan @ Bash at the Beach 2000, I think it was...so I imagine he's wrapped up in the "Vince Russo is cancer" chapter...I'm really looking forward to picking this up in a couple of hours...mainly for the documentary & the Sting/Vader and Sting/Rude matches, 2 of my all times favorites
08-25-2009, 11:28 AM
Jarrett is mentioned during the whole situation with Hogan and Russo. An old WCW official says "He broke 6,000 guitars and didn't draw a dime. He thought he was bigger then Hogan.
I liked it but like was already said the ending is a bit of a letdown. Definitely worth a watch. Read Wrestlecraps book so I would've liked a lot more on the end of WCW.
I liked it but like was already said the ending is a bit of a letdown. Definitely worth a watch. Read Wrestlecraps book so I would've liked a lot more on the end of WCW.
08-25-2009, 02:52 PM
$17.99 = 3 disc set
$22.99 = 3 disc set + rise and fall of ecw
twerd. Just bought it & watching it now...pretty psyched, not gonna lie. I really like the Starrcade set, so I'm digging what they're doing with the wcw catalog thus far
$22.99 = 3 disc set + rise and fall of ecw
twerd. Just bought it & watching it now...pretty psyched, not gonna lie. I really like the Starrcade set, so I'm digging what they're doing with the wcw catalog thus far
08-25-2009, 02:54 PM
Wow, I really disagree with that statement. When I went to Halloween Havoc 2000(which a very young me can be seen briefly) I bought all Jarrett merchandise. I really liked Jarrett in WCW, Choke on that....Slapnuts.
08-25-2009, 02:56 PM
I was big on Jarrett's late WCW run too, pretty much the only time in his career I didn't hate him.
08-25-2009, 04:28 PM
They bury Russo and Jeff. Bury them.
08-25-2009, 06:47 PM
they both deserve it...they were both horrible WWF circa '95, WCW circa '00 & TNA '02...they're perfect dancing buddies
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